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I over-hyped Nbn, I know get 0.56mbps - 50mpbs download. It fluctuates so hard that there is not point of even using it.

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10 minutes ago, dkaeq said:

I over-hyped Nbn, I know get 0.56mbps - 50mpbs download. It fluctuates so hard that there is not point of even using it.

yeah, at the moment we don't have it but people have been saying its not worth getting. 

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NBN is all dependant on your area and provider.
 

to put it simply.  Make sure your provider has enough bandwidth or "Capacity" to supply their clients. Find one that monitors their congestion and purchases more capacity when it reaches a certain percent on that Node or "Point of interconnect".

Most providers dont give a fuck about how many people they are trying to supply with the limited bandwidth they purchase from NBN.

 

I would Suggest Aussie Broadband as i have switched providers Twice and these guys are the tits if you have Fibre to the Premises. they monitor their capacity around the clock and purchase more if they reach a peak.

they do not sell their service to any new clients if they reach 80% on any given POI untill that node has enough to cope.

 

Say no to the main providers as they dont give a fuck and will jam 1000 people on barely enough to provide 500 and not buy anymore because your locked to a contract.

NBN is not like any-other internet.   its a product, that your providing company has to purchase to re-sale on to its customers. 

this goes way way way further than any of you have the time to read about on here. 

ill stab some people here and if you need some advice. find @fingerguns @myzteriouz1 or myself on discord or team speak and give you some friendly advice.

 

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@dkaeq Who is your ISP?

For anyone considering signing up to the NBN, I would highly recommend you only enter into month-by-month arrangements (no lock-in contract) for your first few months. Try out the ISP and if you are happy and get a better deal with a contract, go for it.

HOwever, I think month-by-month is always best and gives you easy options to up and leave if your ISP goes down the tube (aka a buyout by TPG).

 

I am with Aussie Broadband - zero complaints and very high speeds always.

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Aussie Broadband for me, I'm on Fixed wireless though.  Until recently I was getting tower congestion until nbnco deployed a new frequency on my tower and now I'm at a pretty solid 45-48/18

Aussie is the new internode for the NBN(long live node, TPG ate you and your network :( ), just wish the ipv6 cisco bug would get fixed :216_pig:

I think I remember seeing you were on FTTN on discord, this is unlucky I'd first start with a different ISP like Aussie to see if it's CVC or network congestion. I'm not 100% sure on FTTN installs but FW I can have 4 ISP connections at once if I really want to test networks, first few months I tested multiple companies one of the best things about a monthly contract like anchor mentioned. 

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FTTN you can only have one session per pair. On FTTP which I have, I can have 4 active.

With regards to speed, I'm on Internode FTTP and it's damn-near perfect.

Only issues I've seen are global updates, and I've had congestion maybe once, and generally do 2-3TB a month in Netflix, Amazon and other Streaming including 4K

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Hows your international routing, TPG stuffed up here to asia, 300+ ms always compared to my 150ms on aussie. TPG killed off lots of internodes international and merged it to TPG. 

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I'm with iinet and I'm on 120 down and 120 up plan, I get about 90 down and 70 up at peak, 

I have not had any issues with NBN. 

 

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@Dpatau I'm also with iinet, cannot play on Asian servers because there is a " fibre break between Perth and Singapore." My internet fluctuates so hard.


@Anchorman Im with iinet, i'm considering swapping my provider to aussie broadband. 

Thank you guys for your help, since dpat lives sort of near me. I'm just going to get on the phone and annoy them till they fix it for me

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^ Its broken again btw, I do most of my gaming on SG servers now.

How is telstra for NBN? I've had them 7 yrs now here with cable for maybe~ 5ish faults (never lasted more than 10 hours) and always had maximum speed / ping (100mbps plan).

Being forced over to NBN in 6 months.. 

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cable is unrestricted, and the more people that left that infrastructure the faster it got without congestion. TBH i didn't think Telstra had cable i thought that was Optus.

Regardless, i dont know anyone on telstra NBN, if they can give you a good deal for being a long term customer... (Doubt it) then mayb. but im pretty sure they are just the same ol Telstra and overpriced. the only good thing i would "Assume", and this is a guess.. is that they have the infrastructure and capital to buy capacity with a priority over the others. (Please correct me if im wrong)

 

Your best bet. is reding the whirlpool forums as those guys go HAM at NBN companies, and give the best indication who is better.  IE. if you dont see the 1000+ threads of "insert your company name here is slow as balls"  then you might be ok for now. Your absulute best bet is a company that states it monitors its congestion and BUYS MOAR when needed.

Also, ill highlight this as its nice to know.

Most companies will give you the first month free if you ask or find a promo code on whirlpool, giving you the flexibility to try before you buy.

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BTW since is ent you to whirlpool 

 

DO NOT GO WITH SKYMESH NOW

they used to be the best... they kicked ass untill Paul left. they fell just as quick if not quicker on the word of mouth that built them.

First of the major winners on NBN changing their policy and neglecting to buy capacity when it reached peak.

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I guess ill have to read whirlpool or something *shudders* its not the same as it was 5 yrs ago, way more people saying shit they dont actually know now.

Dont really care about price... just wants stability and no congestion lol

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5 hours ago, Second said:

I guess ill have to read whirlpool or something *shudders* its not the same as it was 5 yrs ago, way more people saying shit they dont actually know now.

Dont really care about price... just wants stability and no congestion lol

Let me know what you decide Second as I am also on Telstra cable atm but will probably have to switch to NBN in July or else get disconnected.

Having said that with NBN not allowing any new HFC connections may mean the disconnection date may be delayed :) .

Also if I have to switch my first choice will probably be Aussie Broadband but if Telstra can offer the similar features and price I may just stay with Telstra to save the hassle of switching.

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Yeah will do H, Looks like you might have to switch before me though, I have until october tiil im forced off.

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I've stayed away from Helstra all together with NBN, mainly because it's the whole point of the NBN to remove their monopoly.
Saying this, my congestion has been fixed for some months on Aussiebb now.

The biggest problem I have is routing telstra always seems to get it's mits in somewhere along the line... 

For example, my personal VPS is in singapore this is my route(Any international to Singapore on Aussiebb is through Telstra global which has always been aids).
 

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  FRANK [192.168.1.1]
  2    48 ms    39 ms    48 ms  119-17-140-1.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net [119.17.140.1]
  3    45 ms    48 ms    39 ms  TenGigabitEthernet8-4.lon55.melbourne.telstra.net [165.228.138.149]
  4    41 ms    50 ms    48 ms  bundle-ether3-100.exi-core10.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.80.1]
  5    54 ms    62 ms    56 ms  bundle-ether12.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.11.124]
  6    62 ms    58 ms    59 ms  bundle-ether1.pad-gw10.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.57]
  7    65 ms    56 ms    61 ms  bundle-ether1.sydp-core03.sydney.reach.com [203.50.13.86]
  8   208 ms   218 ms   218 ms  unknown.telstraglobal.net [202.84.138.45]
  9   275 ms   268 ms   278 ms  i-0-0-0-0.istt-core02.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.249.158]
 10   253 ms   248 ms   249 ms  i-0-0-0-7.istt04.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.225.234]
 11   299 ms   283 ms   279 ms  unknown.telstraglobal.net [202.127.73.90]
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14   277 ms   279 ms   279 ms  nope.xxx [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]

Here is a route to Bulgaria, most my team is there so I am communicating to them daily my routing generally doesn't effect me as it's mostly slack but here it is for reference since it's a deep international route example.
 

Tracing route to lg-bg.qhoster.com [93.115.38.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  FRANK [192.168.1.1]
  2    47 ms    38 ms    39 ms  119-17-140-1.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net [119.17.140.1]
  3    43 ms    39 ms    39 ms  TenGigabitEthernet8-4.lon55.melbourne.telstra.net [165.228.138.149]
  4    44 ms    48 ms    40 ms  bundle-ether3-100.exi-core10.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.80.1]
  5    56 ms    58 ms    63 ms  bundle-ether12.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.11.124]
  6    74 ms    62 ms    59 ms  bundle-ether1.oxf-gw11.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.93]
  7    57 ms    58 ms    49 ms  bundle-ether1.sydo-core03.sydney.reach.com [203.50.13.98]
  8   219 ms   209 ms   205 ms  unknown.telstraglobal.net [202.84.247.45]
  9   209 ms   209 ms   219 ms  i-0-5-0-22.paix02.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.247.41]
 10   207 ms   209 ms   207 ms  xe4-3-3.paloalto2.pao.seabone.net [195.22.206.129]
 11   402 ms   398 ms   399 ms  xe7-0-2.sofia1.sof.seabone.net [195.22.211.113]
 12   403 ms   399 ms   398 ms  kiui.sofia1.sof.seabone.net [89.221.39.29]
 13   414 ms   409 ms   408 ms  ovzhost35.qhoster.net [86.106.93.100]
 14   401 ms   399 ms   399 ms  lg-bg.qhoster.com [93.115.38.140]

here is a route to our webserver(rvlt)... hosted by in Sydney, DAT peering @myzteriouz1 ;) 

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  FRANK [192.168.1.1]
  2    45 ms    49 ms    48 ms  119-17-140-1.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net [119.17.140.1]
  3    43 ms    49 ms    48 ms  be2.bng1.vdc03.mel.aussiebb.net [180.150.1.105]
  4    44 ms    39 ms    39 ms  as4826.vic.ix.asn.au [218.100.78.11]
  5    59 ms    59 ms    58 ms  BE-150.cor02.mel11.vic.VOCUS.net.au [114.31.196.56]
  6    53 ms    58 ms    59 ms  Hu-0-0-0-1.cor01.syd11.nsw.VOCUS.net.au [114.31.192.112]
  7    55 ms    59 ms    59 ms  be-111.bdr01.syd04.nsw.vocus.net.au [175.45.72.33]
  8    55 ms    59 ms    59 ms  ve1019.br-9-1.as45671.net.au [203.26.197.126]
  9     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12    53 ms    60 ms    59 ms  vl4003.sw-16-19.as45671.net.au [118.127.7.25]
 13    61 ms    58 ms    59 ms  zeus.asmyns.com [103.13.103.13]

Keep in mind, this is a Fixed wireless connection and the tower is the last of 4 piggy backs before the fibre to my POI hence my large first hop. 
I'd always suggest doing your own testing, as Cardy said most give free months or double data. I know Aussiebb give a free month from a referral or from mentioning the whirlpool post.

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5 hours ago, fingerguns said:

here is a route to our webserver(rvlt)... hosted by in Sydney, DAT peering

Yeah bro, that ain't peering. That's transit. They just use it for AU based transit only for some odd reason. Would've been better off getting IXAU, PIPE, and Megaport in the list and dumping telstra global completely.

Your provider sucks for peering, they also have one single major carrier:

https://bgp.he.net/AS4764#_graph4

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Early morning post, I blame that for using peering instead of transit :)
 

4 hours ago, myzteriouz1 said:

They just use it for AU based transit only for some odd reason. Would've been better off getting IXAU, PIPE, and Megaport in the list and dumping telstra global completely.


You are correct I think this is still in the early stages they only just finished the  mainland POI roll out late last year. I hope Aussiebb gets better with the routing it's the only thing holding them back now.

This doc you would never see something like this from telstra :) 
http://www.ausnog.net/sites/default/files/ausnog-2017/presentations/1.2_Phillip_Britt_AusNOG2017.pdf

Honestly in NBN land it's either good routing and crap speed or good stable speed and crap routing.  Can't have both*, choose one and go with it.


*Currently unless you are metro, any rural zones are shafted for decent routing.

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Im wondering if it would be that issue if i stay with telstra.. atm i get full speed 24/7 and good routing on cable.. hmmm

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On 1/12/2018 at 3:19 PM, Second said:

Im wondering if it would be that issue if i stay with telstra.. atm i get full speed 24/7 and good routing on cable.. hmmm

Well there is a whole part of the FW that ISP's can't even monitor or control, I'd imagine it would be the same with FTTN. Currently with your cable Telstra manages pretty much all of it.

I'd be surprised if you don't. 

Today SYD -> SGP is back to being acceptable and < 150ms.  It's like your are sailing on the rough seas, some days it's perfect sailing & some days its just terrible rough ;)

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  FRANK [192.168.1.1]
  2    40 ms    43 ms    34 ms  119-17-140-1.NBN.mel.aussiebb.net [119.17.140.1]
  3    51 ms    38 ms    38 ms  TenGigabitEthernet8-4.lon55.melbourne.telstra.net [165.228.138.149]
  4    36 ms    48 ms    48 ms  bundle-ether3-100.exi-core10.melbourne.telstra.net [203.50.80.1]
  5    63 ms    58 ms    55 ms  bundle-ether12.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.11.124]
  6    60 ms    58 ms    62 ms  bundle-ether1.oxf-gw11.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.93]
  7    57 ms    57 ms    58 ms  bundle-ether2.oxf-gw10.sydney.telstra.net [203.50.6.94]
  8    50 ms    61 ms    55 ms  bundle-ether1.sydo-core04.sydney.reach.com [203.50.13.94]
  9    65 ms    55 ms    58 ms  i-0-1-0-45.sydo-core03.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.222.53]
 10    92 ms    88 ms    88 ms  i-4-0-0.pthp-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.143.46]
 11   137 ms   133 ms   134 ms  i-0-4-2-0.sgpl-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.143.94]
 12   133 ms   143 ms   128 ms  i-0-0-0-15.istt04.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.224.209]
 13   140 ms   139 ms   143 ms  unknown.telstraglobal.net [202.127.73.90]
 14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 16   145 ms   138 ms   138 ms  nope.nope [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]

I can't wait for  INDIGO to be completed....  SYD <-> Perth  36 Tbps  & Perth <-> Jakarta <-> SGP which is also 36 Tbps that will clean up a lot of international latency to Europe and the like also help Perth dwellers have a lower latency to the east coast. Telstra has it's mits in this so expect Telstra wholesale/global to be using it

There is also the ASC which will be Perth -> SGP which is planned for 40Tbps

PS: I love this map - https://www.submarinecablemap.com;) 

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It' shit because they rushed thousands of techs (myself included) through a "crash fibre coarse" to get this shit done.

I did a 3 year traineeship which included an OPEN cabling license with a fibre endorsement in 8 months.

Now days they are probably going back fixing shit tins of fuck ups. The poofter who mechanically spliced the fibre at your house did a shit job. The connection in the multiport in the street is fucked cause it wasnt cleaned and they farted putting ewww gas on the connector at the cabinet.

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On 1/22/2018 at 6:59 AM, OverKill said:

It' shit because they rushed thousands of techs (myself included) through a "crash fibre coarse" to get this shit done.

I did a 3 year traineeship which included an OPEN cabling license with a fibre endorsement in 8 months.

Now days they are probably going back fixing shit tins of fuck ups. The poofter who mechanically spliced the fibre at your house did a shit job. The connection in the multiport in the street is fucked cause it wasnt cleaned and they farted putting ewww gas on the connector at the cabinet.

 or you can work for me  and earn good coin 

 

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